Your opinion on this?

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From the famous Smashboards.

www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=208007

This thread talks about...I don't know really.

Planking, Camping, and CG are not honorable. and such.
...I laugh at how they use Japanese Smashers as an example.

When I read this thread. I was thinking about the TTT. and how the set rules and such were really nice.


Up for discussion.


My opinion. I think we did great at demonstrating what the thread is talking about. Makes the game a whole lot funner. yes?

[мғв=Bane]

I read the thread. It's a response to a thread in which the Original Poster was whining and griping about chaingrabbing, planking, and camping. He wants us to play like the Japanesse smashers, who don't use chain grabbing, etc.

Assuming you're talking about the thread, it's just a whiny guy who doesn't like how we currently play the game. I tell him to stop whining and trying to make me play the way he wants me to play.

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Rofl. @ the guy. We'll never really change. You can't really tell a guy to just change his/her playstyle. But there is one statement that I agree with. I would like to fight my opponents,

[TimeCard]

I agree with the quotes,

Of course you can never change a player's play style.
no one's trying to, the point is:

We're griping. especially me, because I play with these (insane) notions of honor.

I can yell and scream, and makes as many speeches as I want, (and if you ever want to hear one, just bring it up in front of me,) But it won't change how YOU play.

but that's not the point.

in a tournament, chances are that the person who slows down the game and allots themselves more time to think, should have the advantage over the berserker who runs in and starts smashing wildly.

But if you play fast, you adapt to both styles, you learn to think on your feet and reacts quicker.
that Jap vid? those guys aren't just button mashing, there IS a lot of strategy there, and most of it is highly rehearsed.

I posted a video of Marth a while back, and it showed a lot of the same moves. when put together like that, it seems like Spamming, but in all honesty, it's a player's rhythm and flow.

those wicked fast moves from the Japs are only Wicked fast becuase they've done it over, and over, and over.

The magic thing about Brawl is that it pits players against each other on a relatively even field. the honor part comes in how you play, and keep that field even.

For instance: when an enemy is attempting to recover, You can slid to the edge and hang on it, barring your opponent from recovering, or you can stand back, let them grab, and execute from there. That's the kind of play style I have, making it as fair as possible.

Things like Infinities, CG, they detract from the honest competition of Brawl. The whole point of playing is to win, yes, but if you win by making it impossible to compete, then what are you left with?

Victory? hardly.

EDIT: typo fix.

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I think you spelled slide wrong. XD

[Sorairo.Nia.]

If you're talking about the youtube video on the thread. It was cool to watch. If youre talking abouyt the guy who is complaining....I want to slap him a few times.>.>

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TimeCard is right. You can't change someones playstyle unless they want it to change. It's like K-Spam a lot.

Everyone nearly complains about his play style, but...he wins.

[мғв.TheOgbot]

Dec 16, 2008 15:39:41 GMT -6 C307 said:

TimeCard is right. You can't change someones playstyle unless they want it to change. It's like K-Spam a lot.

Everyone nearly complains about his play style, but...he wins.

Prime Example right here.

If you gripe constantly, all you'll accomplish is a temporary anger fix. If you think you'll get anything out of this, you won't.

It's like Mr. Graham people, you just can't change individuals based off of your thoughts and feelings.

[мғв=Bane]

Hah. Agree about K-Spam.

It almost seems to me that this whole "play with honor" thing is just pent up frustration at not being able to defeat another person and then complaining about it. It's what we did with K-Spam, but look where we are now? We adapt, improve, and surpass these problems as we grow on our journey to better Brawling.

[мғв.halloway]

Playing with honor is the desire to honestly win with out-strategizing your opponent. Playing them and attempting to learn their conventions of play, identifying weaknesses and exploiting them. Where is the sport in maintaining a move that is night impossible to escape or defend against. As TimeCard put it some time ago, it's like bringing a gun to a knife fight. The weights of the scale don't even begin at the same level if so. Imagine having a game of chess where your opponent has no pawns, but a front line of queens instead. Legal pieces of course, but by no means fair in the least. Where is the fun in winning in that case. I think I present the concept of honor in battle in pretty basic terms.

[TimeCard]

"this whole "play with honor" thing is just pent up frustration at not being able to defeat another person and then complaining about it."

Now, that is unfair. No one is forcing you to play with honor. well, at least I'm not. If you want to use suicide kills, go for it. If you want to Spam Ike's Up smash so you kill everything, Be my guest.

When I gripe about "playing with honor" it's not becuase I can't beat someone and want to whine. It's because I'm a liberal, and we Socialist Liberal pussies advocate fairness.

Joking aside, My point was that it's more satisfying to beat someone by honestly playing the game, maintaining a competitive nature, and keeping the field level. I mean, what do you get from winning by using an unbreakable grab and jumping off an edge? or spamming the hell out of PK fire, Wizard Punch, or DK's Ground pound until you're opponent is at ri cock ulously high percentages?

You don't earn a victory by doing that. you earn a win. and they are NOT the same thing.

Listen, before anyone accuses me of bitching. (Which I am, but I have a point.) The reason I said this is because apparently I didn't make my self clear in my last post. (evident by the out of context agreements...) so here it is:

I'm not telling anyone to change their play style. I can't do that. People will play how they want. The point to this whole Honor "fallacy" is to talk about it, start dialouge, maybe show people a different view of Brawl.

There are a lot more options than just to Win. and there are a lot of people who play for the competitive nature and sport. they play to achieve Victory.

Competition is what makes SSB fun, and Competition is what will keep people playing.

[мғв.ban.sha.]

Sleep is near, but to sum up my feelings, I second this guy ^ ^ ^

I really just don't see the point in playing with these ridiculous chain grabs and such. I have never had any fun with that and having Tony hold you on a wall of Shadow Moses until your numbers are a nice dark red (happens around 160 or so) is not a pleasing sensation at all. It makes you angry, you want to scream at him, your heart speeds up because you are doing all in your power to not tell him to "chain grab this" and repeatedly beat him in the face.

That's not fun.

That's not a game, that's pointless and frustrating.



I don't like it, and I am happy that we have maintained these high standards of morality and honor in our play.

Way to go, us!!!

[мғв=Bane]

The closest thing we have to a chaingrab in our group is Colonelsideburns, and he doesn't like doing it. He told me that it gets harder after 40% and he can get about 17% by just back-throwing them. He also runs out of space. There might be a "better" chaingrab, but he doesn't like using the one he knows.

[TimeCard]

we're not talking about Who does or does not,

we're talking about the principle of honorable playing.

My point was simply to rebuke the "Play to Win" take on Brawl.

As Shadow said, PLS Brawlers doesn't see it much, and that's a very good thing, I'm glad.

but someone asked about opinions on the topic.

Ask? and I shall be Awesome. haha