|
|
Post by Emergency on Jul 3, 2009 20:16:24 GMT -6
Are defending, because you can CG him? gg
|
|
|
|
Post by C307 on Jul 3, 2009 20:32:03 GMT -6
I defend high tier and low tier. No one complains about low tier.
Don't say Meta is cheap before u actually fight a co'petitive meta.
Though i lost the set i did KO Yoshi's meta at around 80%. Meta is very light and dies easily even with good di.
him having 50-50 matches is basicly saying there are no character specific advantages either character has over the other, or that both have an equally stupid/great advantage over the the other [falco vs meta is a good example of the 2nd.]
So then the match is based on skill luck and trapping [or mindgaming].
Based on what most of u have said Meta doesn't take out a lot of thought to play while the opponent is more used to constantly thinking about the match. The other person [based on the above] should be be able to outhink the meta player and will get the dmg racked and set-up for the kill quickly.
Now if your fighting a smart Meta the the match is even closer to a true 50-50, and depends on more luck/tripping/platforms/stage cp's.
Would Di'ing up and away work well on rob's d-smash work well?
|
|
|
|
Post by Emergency on Jul 3, 2009 20:36:09 GMT -6
I would personally tech chase you for it, if you did.
I know what it's like to face a MK, if they know what they are doing, they clearly can create hell. They are the people who kill your character's weakness. Lag, recovery, etc.
I'll update my post morely, time for bed.
|
|
|
|
Post by мғв=Bane on Jul 4, 2009 10:34:52 GMT -6
Don't say Meta is cheap before u actually fight a co'petitive meta. So because I got pwned by Yoshi's Meta Knight, I can say he is cheap? It probably didn't even matter that it was Meta Knight, he was by far too skilled for me to do anything and he was just messing around. Seriously, you make it sound too easy. The Meta Knight players that are good (not those weak ones that kind of know what they're doing) aren't zoning out and just playing off a script, they watch your every move, waiting to sneak in and hit you. Don't think that only you are thinking about how to win the entire match, their mind is working just as hard as yours and they are mind gaming, predicting, and baiting you as you are them. One character doesn't make their player think less during the match, I would actually argue that with Meta Knight's impressive abilities your opponent is thinking about more things than you are becuase he has so many more options than you do. Also: you are not a gangster, don't type like one. Even my phonetically challenged sister can spell better than you. |
|
|
|
Post by C307 on Jul 4, 2009 22:13:54 GMT -6
Pretty much yes you can say he is cheap....but thats another form of johning...Very good not johning on your part btw.
I was on my DSI when i made that post. If there were spelling error's i wasn't going back to fix it. (typing that much on a freaking touch screen takes forever).
Okay yes playing a smart Meta can be a nightmare (5 points to whoever gets this reference), but is the character itself cheap, not really. And which takes more brain power going through a door or going through a brick wall.
Door=every other character
Brick wall= Meta
|
|
|
|
Post by Mac on Jul 4, 2009 22:28:51 GMT -6
I'm playing MK at PnT next week.
|
|
|
|
Post by Emergency on Jul 5, 2009 9:22:59 GMT -6
One flaw doesn't make the whole character Meta Knight fall.
|
|
|
|
Post by Zephron on Jul 5, 2009 12:09:01 GMT -6
One flaw doesn't make the whole character fall.
*Points to Link and Lucas*
*Points to position on tier list*
Lol. Link would be perfect if he had good recovery. But that flaw doesn't make me stop playing him. It just makes him a much harder character to compete with.
Lucas can be chaingrabbed by nearly everyone, and has a few infinites on him, but he is always a joy to main and use.
So yeah, it makes them fall on the tier list, but people still play them. |
|
|
|
Post by Emergency on Jul 5, 2009 13:19:47 GMT -6
Wario gets a bunch of crap from a lot characters, Infinites and CGs alike. Yet he is high.
Isn't the tier list based on matchups?
|
|
|
|
Post by C307 on Jul 5, 2009 14:05:28 GMT -6
Match-ups/amount of players/tourny results is what makes tier lists i think.
Reason why Meta is #1 No disadvantages match-ups, most amount of players, lots of top players play meta.
|
|
|
|
Post by мғв.TheOgbot on Jul 5, 2009 14:32:27 GMT -6
Match-ups/amount of players/tourny results is what makes tier lists i think. Reason why Meta is #1 No disadvantages match-ups, most amount of players, lots of top players play meta. No, not because of that at all. Sure characters have options against MK giving them a decent chance, but MK has more to choose from once that option is eliminated. That is why he doesn't have any disadvantageous matchups: he cannot be shut down in any way by one thing a character can do to him. Guess what, I have a hard time against MK even with the CG. |
|
|
|
Post by C307 on Jul 5, 2009 23:17:46 GMT -6
But without that chain grab would it be much harder???
Doesn't Yoshi's cg lead to a free spike/u-smash at any percent?
|
|
|
|
Post by Mac on Jul 5, 2009 23:31:05 GMT -6
No.
|
|
|
|
Post by Zephron on Jul 6, 2009 10:04:00 GMT -6
But without that chain grab would it be much harder??? Doesn't Yoshi's cg lead to a free spike/u-smash at any percent?
No, I play a very good Yoshi player and it is not guaranteed at any percent. The Yoshi is expecting a certain recovery option and if you choose the wrong one, yes you got spiked.
Lucas has it easy because his jump can go in a big C curve around Yoshi. |
|
|
|
Post by мғв=Bane on Jul 6, 2009 10:32:36 GMT -6
Contributing to the whole "Meta Knight is too good" and "mock SS=Zero cause he doesn't understand" stuff. To me, it seems like this whole discussion is a little of both.
Meta Knight's whole light weight problem is something easily remidied. You've got to hit them before they hit you. Stuff like the D-smash have little time before they actually come out and hit you, so if he attacks at the same time anyone else does, he's probably going to hit first.
Meta Knight's internal strategy also makes the light weight moot. Meta Knight is supposed to be played offensively. Meta Knight's attacks allow him to dominate the other player, and the other player is easily put in a position where they aren't going to hit him with slower, more powerful attacks. they don't have time to use their other moves because Meta Knight will either attack first if he's close enough, he could powershield and grab, or he could hang out outside your range and then zoom in and grab or attack. Meta Knight punishes you for playing the game, not many other characters can do that and nobody does it as well as Meta knight.
|
|
